Comments on: In Case You Missed It… http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37 Perez Hilton Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:15:08 +0000 Perezhilton.com by: Jef http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1442031 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:06:27 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1442031 I've been without an internet connection for some 2 days. My feeling exactly, this is a long thread. I won't leave my real email here because I really don't lilke spam, but if you wish you can reach me at jef_2000@spambob.net (oneshot account) and I'll receive your email and reply using my real email. I've been without an internet connection for some 2 days.

My feeling exactly, this is a long thread.

I won't leave my real email here because I really don't lilke spam, but if you wish you can reach me at jef_2000@spambob.net (oneshot account) and I'll receive your email and reply using my real email.

]]> by: lui http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1433719 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:58:42 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1433719 if you want you can give me your email, this site is seriously messing with my system :-P if you want you can give me your email, this site is seriously messing with my system :-P

]]> by: lui http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1433686 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:50:51 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1433686 If you want you can give me your emal, this stupid site is messing with my system :-P If you want you can give me your emal, this stupid site is messing with my system :-P

]]> by: Jef http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1430670 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:34:41 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1430670 «I’m curious about the side effects you’re talking about though.» Only memory loss (short and not so short term). «ECT is ONLY reserved for those patients who do not respond to different medications or develop intolerable side effects, or sever types of depression like psychotic patients or where there’s an imminent risk of suicide, so it’s not as common as you’d think if that’s what concerns you.» No, thats not what concerns me. What concerns me is that I can be forced to spend 14 days incarcerated, have my material possessions taken away, my right to vote taken away (where I live even people convicted of murder and rape get to vote) just because someone (usually several people) feels like it (or genuinely thinks it's for my own good), even though I haven't done anything to justify that punishment. Tell me, do you think this woman has made such serious offenses to justify being taken away and effectively detained for 2 weeks? «I’m curious about the side effects you’re talking about though.»

Only memory loss (short and not so short term).

«ECT is ONLY reserved for those patients who do not respond to different medications or develop intolerable side effects, or sever types of depression like psychotic patients or where there’s an imminent risk of suicide, so it’s not as common as you’d think if that’s what concerns you.»

No, thats not what concerns me.

What concerns me is that I can be forced to spend 14 days incarcerated, have my material possessions taken away, my right to vote taken away (where I live even people convicted of murder and rape get to vote) just because someone (usually several people) feels like it (or genuinely thinks it's for my own good), even though I haven't done anything to justify that punishment.

Tell me, do you think this woman has made such serious offenses to justify being taken away and effectively detained for 2 weeks?

]]> by: Jef http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1430550 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:15:10 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1430550 Of course this is all complicated, but at least they are measured and people with auto-immune disorders such as SLE or RA don't have to take the" your body has an imbalance and pretty much attacks itself without" any evidence pointing to that. If possible I would like to stay away from those conditions too, but if I ever get one I'll be selective about which treatment to follow though I would seek treatment. Of course this is all complicated, but at least they are measured and people with auto-immune disorders such as SLE or RA don't have to take the" your body has an imbalance and pretty much attacks itself without" any evidence pointing to that.

If possible I would like to stay away from those conditions too, but if I ever get one I'll be selective about which treatment to follow though I would seek treatment.

]]> by: Jef http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1430545 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:14:44 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1430545 « If you’re concerned that the diagnosis can’t be confirmed with a lab test, then you won’t want to suffer from most rheumathologyc diseases either that are diagnosed solely by clinical criteria, the same way, you know… psychiatrists do?» This is not true and you know it almost for sure. To pinpoint the exact condition (syndrome actually) is pretty much arbitrary clinical work as you write, but you can (and DO) measure many parameters in lab-work and those clearly indicate a problem and I'm talking about many parameters (immunology mainly) that clearly indicate something is wrong. Now correlating the severity of the symptoms with the lab values is not clear-cut, but again they are measured and from my interaction with doctors in those areas some are quite upfront about the state of their art (and some just outright arrogant) even though they are still ahead of psychiatrists in the tools at their disposal for a diagnostic. If you really need examples of measured parameters I can look them up but ANA (for example anti-DNA antibodies) come to mind. RF is also measured (and has been for many decades) but it's not very useful. I'm not an expert on this so please correct me if I am wrong. « If you’re concerned that the diagnosis can’t be confirmed with a lab test, then you won’t want to suffer from most rheumathologyc diseases either that are diagnosed solely by clinical criteria, the same way, you know… psychiatrists do?»

This is not true and you know it almost for sure.

To pinpoint the exact condition (syndrome actually) is pretty much arbitrary clinical work as you write, but you can (and DO) measure many parameters in lab-work and those clearly indicate a problem and I'm talking about many parameters (immunology mainly) that clearly indicate something is wrong.

Now correlating the severity of the symptoms with the lab values is not clear-cut, but again they are measured and from my interaction with doctors in those areas some are quite upfront about the state of their art (and some just outright arrogant) even though they are still ahead of psychiatrists in the tools at their disposal for a diagnostic.

If you really need examples of measured parameters I can look them up but ANA (for example anti-DNA antibodies) come to mind. RF is also measured (and has been for many decades) but it's not very useful. I'm not an expert on this so please correct me if I am wrong.

]]> by: lu http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1427682 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:57:57 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1427682 I've been to many many sessions of ECT under relaxation and they were all performed under general anesthesia, some patients mostly complained about short term memory loss, so the sessions were performed with a longer span between each other, in most cases resulting in reduction of this side effect. in the few patients where it didn't work the sessions were discontinued and they were back to medications. Of course there are wackjobs who try ECT under lets say, “unfit” circumstances, like some nuts who perform breast augmentation surgeries in their office, but that I’ll leave to the respective authorities to investigate :-p ECT is ONLY reserved for those patients who do not respond to different medications or develop intolerable side effects, or sever types of depression like psychotic patients or where there’s an imminent risk of suicide, so it’s not as common as you’d think if that’s what concerns you. I've been to many many sessions of ECT under relaxation and they were all performed under general anesthesia, some patients mostly complained about short term memory loss, so the sessions were performed with a longer span between each other, in most cases resulting in reduction of this side effect. in the few patients where it didn't work the sessions were discontinued and they were back to medications. Of course there are wackjobs who try ECT under lets say, “unfit” circumstances, like some nuts who perform breast augmentation surgeries in their office, but that I’ll leave to the respective authorities to investigate :-p
ECT is ONLY reserved for those patients who do not respond to different medications or develop intolerable side effects, or sever types of depression like psychotic patients or where there’s an imminent risk of suicide, so it’s not as common as you’d think if that’s what concerns you.

]]> by: lu http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1426999 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:22:03 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1426999 [re=1426711]Re: lu[/re] “I just hope I'm never diagnosed with one (at least not in the way these are made nowadays)” You mean clinical diagnosis? If you’re concerned that the diagnosis can’t be confirmed with a lab test, then you won’t want to suffer from most rheumathologyc diseases either that are diagnosed solely by clinical criteria, the same way, you know… psychiatrists do? “Not true according to testimonies I've seen. It was not a representative sample though.” Well from the sessions I assisted only a patient reported short term memory loss and had to discontinue the sessions before they were over. I don’t think the other patients who reported a 90% reduction of their depressive symptoms would agree. I’m curious about the side effects you’re talking about though. Re: lu – “I just hope I'm never diagnosed with one (at least not in the way these are made nowadays)”
You mean clinical diagnosis? If you’re concerned that the diagnosis can’t be confirmed with a lab test, then you won’t want to suffer from most rheumathologyc diseases either that are diagnosed solely by clinical criteria, the same way, you know… psychiatrists do?
“Not true according to testimonies I've seen. It was not a representative sample though.”
Well from the sessions I assisted only a patient reported short term memory loss and had to discontinue the sessions before they were over. I don’t think the other patients who reported a 90% reduction of their depressive symptoms would agree. I’m curious about the side effects you’re talking about though.

]]> by: lu http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1426711 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:56:49 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1426711 "Not true according to testimonies I've seen. It was not a representative sample though" I won't say NO ONE ever suffers from side effects, that doesn't apply to ANY kind of treatment whatsoever. It's like penicillin, if you're allergic to it (which can be fatal) it doesn't mean someone else who’s not allergic shouldn't use it if they have a treatable infection. Unfortunately the same thing happens with anesthesia or ECT or most medications whatsoever, the only way you know you're allergic or have a tendency to suffer from a side effect is being exposed to it. Again, just bc it wasn't used for a long time it doesn't mean its not effective, it wasn't used not bc it wasn't effective, but bc there weren't enough anesthetic medications to secure the patient's well being. "Not true according to testimonies I've seen. It was not a representative sample though"

I won't say NO ONE ever suffers from side effects, that doesn't apply to ANY kind of treatment whatsoever. It's like penicillin, if you're allergic to it (which can be fatal) it doesn't mean someone else who’s not allergic shouldn't use it if they have a treatable infection. Unfortunately the same thing happens with anesthesia or ECT or most medications whatsoever, the only way you know you're allergic or have a tendency to suffer from a side effect is being exposed to it. Again, just bc it wasn't used for a long time it doesn't mean its not effective, it wasn't used not bc it wasn't effective, but bc there weren't enough anesthetic medications to secure the patient's well being.

]]> by: Jef http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1423784 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:59:10 +0000 http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-28-in-case-you-missed-it-37#comment-1423784 «Back with a vengeance?» Yes, after years of almost not being used. «Did you or an acquaintance had a bad experience with psychiatric medications or ECT?» No. I think the fact you are not a native speaker might have made you misinterpret my use of "with a vengeance". «Maybe you should stop watching House.» I don't on a regular basis. I might have seen a couple of episodes a long time ago. « Side effects? Trouble with short memory which reverses after maybe a week of discontinuation of therapy and post-ictal status associated to anesthetic agents and seizure itself and is over in the post-op period.» Not true according to testimonies I've seen. It was not a representative sample though. «I just hope you won’t have to suffer from any mental disorder so you won’t have to fight against a treatment you don’t want to receive.» I just hope I'm never diagnosed with one (at least not in the way these are made nowadays) so that I can live my life far away from this kind of shamanism. I would really hate having someone trying to control my life just because they get a kick (and some money) out of it. I'm almost sure no symptom I've read about is worse than the alternative. «Back with a vengeance?»

Yes, after years of almost not being used.

«Did you or an acquaintance had a bad experience with psychiatric medications or ECT?»

No. I think the fact you are not a native speaker might have made you misinterpret my use of "with a vengeance".

«Maybe you should stop watching House.»

I don't on a regular basis. I might have seen a couple of episodes a long time ago.

« Side effects? Trouble with short memory which reverses after maybe a week of discontinuation of therapy and post-ictal status associated to anesthetic agents and seizure itself and is over in the post-op period.»

Not true according to testimonies I've seen. It was not a representative sample though.

«I just hope you won’t have to suffer from any mental disorder so you won’t have to fight against a treatment you don’t want to receive.»

I just hope I'm never diagnosed with one (at least not in the way these are made nowadays) so that I can live my life far away from this kind of shamanism. I would really hate having someone trying to control my life just because they get a kick (and some money) out of it. I'm almost sure no symptom I've read about is worse than the alternative.

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